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Pam Macdonald's avatar

Maybe the answer to the Stornaway question is to recognize it as a homeless encampment or squat. There are many in those straits in the Capital Region... they should perhaps join PP and wifey there.

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Ingamarie's avatar

Be careful what you wish for...next thing we know, he'll have them voting for him.

Like him or not, he sure knows how to stir the rage pot....and let's face it.

There's lots to be enraged about these days....the prospect of more tarsands pipelines across my country rather has me in a tizzy.

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redbert's avatar

What a fumble. Imagine how bad Pierre must feel after completely shitting the bed like this—after designing his entire life, decades of grinding, maxxing every stat possible, seizing every opportunity, and dedicating everything to being a politician solely for PMO glory—only to fail so spectacularly. It’s a real moment for celebration. A true <<Canadian heritage moment>> fade to black

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Ingamarie's avatar

Sure. If you overlook how close he came........and how many Canadians are desperate enough to believe he'll 'fix' the future for them.

Denial only goes so far..............and its not only the alt right that's in some form of denial about the climate emergency. We see it in the NDP as well........

No one knows quite what to do.........except the wealth creators.

They're all in on making it worse with ramped up in situ mining, fracking, and rare earth extraction from our north...........all taking, and making unpotable, the limited water supplies we have going forward.

I see nothing in Carney's plans.....or in the decimation of the NDP.......to prevent them from having their way. And as to clean energy???

THEIR BITCOIN AND AI DATA CENTRES ARE GOING TO SUCK UP EVERY CLEAN WATT WE PRODUCE.....so its fracked methane gas and fracked oil (in the USA) to the end of the earth.

The real Canadian heritage moment.......our grandkids will curse us.

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OriginalKaDs's avatar

Counter argument;

Our children will thanks us for not letting Poilievre take us down with the US. They’ll thank us for preserving social systems that Poilievre intends to cut to make more money for the rich.

At the moment, he’s preying on youth’s desires to have everything they want as quickly as possible, with zero intention of actually fulfilling the promise. This exactly what Trump did. He promises to make them rich, but only worked FOR the rich. Poilievre’s voting history tells the EXACT same story.

We have two generations that have gone through a fail forward school system and received graduation ceremonies for absolutely nothing. We/they have been celebrating mediocrity. They have been raised to expect everything with minimum investment or effort. They have watched reality TV teach them they should be rich and entitled before they’re thirty.

Poilievre is leveraging that with empty promises. He promised 15% tax cuts; the truth was he was lying and it was 15% of 15%, which is only 2.25%. He attempted to manipulate the public with his promises of wealth. He spent years voting against dental care, and cheap day care. Just before voting started, he claimed he would not touch them. Yet, once early voting was over, his CONCEPT of a budget was released and it showed he would do exactly that, cut those programs. Once he had votes in his pocket, he thought it would be in the bag and he could get away with it.

He an outright liar, and manipulative as well. That is not leadership, nor would it help the futures of our children.

Poilievre wants to do EXACTLY what the US administration I’d currently doing.

Anyone who advocates for what the US is doing or pushes to join them is a traitor to this country and the ideals we believe in.

All that will come of a Conservative government, particularly with PP as leader, is a hate fuelled, xenophobic, bigoted regime. The IDU’s goals, with Harper and Poilievre, is no different than The Heritage Foundation in the US; they seek to put Far-Right “governments” in control around the world. They are not interested in helping ordinary citizens, they only help the rich, and specifically ones that support their ideology.

Our children will NOT be better off under this control, and I personally, will fight IDU, Harper, Poilievre, Trump, and any other individual who seeks to undermine our freedom for their own gain, to my dying breath.

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redbert's avatar

Missed your Valium today?

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Nora Loreto's avatar

Redbert, Ingamarie is saying the same thing you're saying. No need to be rude.

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Ian Weniger's avatar

Sorry, folks, I took that Valium. I needed something to manage myself after the umpteenth announcement of "rookie MP and first ever minister of AI and digital innovation, Evan Solomon."

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Ingamarie's avatar

The problem the Conservative party has in Canada just now might be greater than the unlikeability of their leader. Sure there is a mean streets, take no prisoners aspect to PP...but I suspect that is precisely what resonates with his most loyal base.

The Conservative party, much like the Republican party in the USA, has been taken over by a demographic that feels threatened, left out, and often insulted by the ruling elites. The gap between the entitled to rule and the rabble they rule over has grown with neoliberal policies. In fact, that gap is the consequence of neoliberal policies quite often.

So if you're not college educated, if you work for a living with your body not your abstract brain, if you live in the country instead of the metropolis, if you still believe fundamental Christianity is a ticket to life everlasting..........you feel consigned to the margins if contemporary life...if not the actual dead past.

PP expresses that sense of loss and indignity. That world view is in fact, 'broken', cast off, open to condemnation and ridicule...in many quarters.

Plus, what has replaced it is new consciousness of what that old world view did to the indigenous, the immigrant, the colonized.....White Christian conservative values have been called out as racist, sexist and oppressive...historical facts the great grandchildren of our settler culture don't want to entertain.

Who would be the reasonable, likeable politician capable of representing the new white marginalized? O'Toole tried, but they aren't comfortable in a wider, more centrist tent. Perhaps they have their reasons. And while they may frighten the majority back into the Liberal fold....that does nothing to appease their anger, and sense of persecution.

PP understand that. Hard to transform into Mr. Nice Guy when in all likelihood, he shares their sense of loss..........as the Great White Father continues to suffer accusations of being the Despicable White Abuser.

I have some sympathy for his situation.

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Peter Borkowicz's avatar

All good except the last sentence. This piece does not really deal with substance. We can see as PP ‘s hero is presenting his budget. Tax cuts for the wealthy and tax raises for the poor. This is what PP would give to those disgruntled folks you refer to. I really don’t know maybe they are masochists or just stupid, but we have to at least let them know.

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Ingamarie's avatar

The sympathy I have for him is the sympathy I'd have for anyone who has backed themselves into a corner they can't easily get out of. Jason Kenney did the same thing....foster the extreme right libertarian crazies, thinking he could use them for his own ends.........only to discover the extent to which they are intransigent, and can't be ruled.

The Conservative party has to let go of its determination to strip mine planet earth and climate realities be damned..........or it will become increasingly irrelevant. I wish it weren't the case.........but we figure out how to get off fossil fuels, or we can kiss our grandkids goodbye.

Mine are particularly beautiful, and when I listen to their plans to become millionaires and help the homeless I wonder: Does the reductive nostalgias of the alt right feel nothing for the visionary young we are leaving with our dirty resource and water wars???

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Mariel Schooff's avatar

And exactly what Republicans want. Poillievres conservatives are the American Republican party.

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Glenn Toddun's avatar

Pierre Pollievre becoming a tenant rights activist is not a thought I ever thought I would have. Thanks Nora.

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Ian Weniger's avatar

Yep, I can't wait for the Crackdown pod to monetize that meme

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Russell McOrmond's avatar

The Reform movement may be strong in Alberta, it isn't in southern Canada (remember that approximately 70% of Canada's population is south of the 49th.) The more people are reminded that the Reform movement is extremely different than Progressive Conservatives, the more divided that party and the electorate will be.

Fundamentally, pre-election coalitions and party mergers don't work in the longer term, especially when there is far too much focus on the leaders.

I really don't see a solution that doesn't involve ending strategic voting (Which ranked ballots does, but Party Proportionality does not) as well as deemphasizing the party executive and "leader" (By having leaders decided by caucus rather than by political tourists at a corporate leadership convention).

https://www.davidgraham.ca/p/leadership-by-caucus

Harper from the Reform branch of the Canadian conservative movement managing to become PM feels like a fluke rather than something that will be repeated. While there is a large anti-LPC movement (I'm not a fan myself), it still feels like the anti-Reform movement is actually larger and stronger.

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Thomas D’Arcy O’Donnell's avatar

.. Most Coherent & Contemporary ‘snapshot of an ongoing poetically preposterous ‘benchmark in Canadian Political History..

Myself ? Am a far more feral appraiser of Pierre4Poilievre & evergrinnin sidekick Dear Anaida - his ‘ROCK..

am the guy.. oh yes i am.. on the record .. must i whine .. said Lose Carleton AND lose The Election & COLLAPSE THE BIG TENT ‘conservative’ Party Of Harper Reform/Alliance ..

here in the here & now - the ‘The Harper Party High Table & Mystery Guests .. ‘Knows this is the Only Tactical Delaying & Distracting OPTION to self destruction - We canadians eh .. we know this is Historic - in Historic even Dangerous Times.. we livin it baby ! we swimmin in it ! but what’s wickedly outstanding is Canadian Cultural, Historical, Ethical - Concerns meets Entertainment ‘level or worse - MassMedia ‘narratives .. as if Only Their Narrative is to be considered as ‘Factual .. (journalism is an endangered species..

bravura perspective ! 🦎🏴‍☠️💋

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Davis Thomas T Glover's avatar

Thanks again Nora, as always your insights are enlightened with a tinge of humor & greatly appreciated.

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Mariel Schooff's avatar

Poillievre worked tirelessly to stir up enough rage in Canada, that we would look to being annexed to American corporate monopolies as a blessing. That's how deluded they've always been.

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Peter's avatar

Beyond Carlton, Poilievre broke through in Ontario and Federally got a higher percentage of the vote than Harper ever did. Forecasting that BQ voters will return after Carney leans right seems like a wise gamble. As it stands, Conservatives have a clear trajectory to the PMO.

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497988's avatar

Get lost PP , nobody wants to see you or hear you ! Get it ! You are a political has been ! Move to the USA where you belong! I sure Trump will like your rhetoric !

We in Canada don’t!

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Chris Fehr's avatar

This certianly makes it harder for him to go on his rants about other people's money. He is officially collectign Canada's most expensive employment insurance package.

Now as much as I'd like to see him go (or not if I want the Liberals to win again) I think it's a flaw in our system that the leader of a the party that should be focused on trying to lead the country also has to run in a riding. The system should allow for the leader of the leading party and oposition party to have a seat for their respective leaders. This won't change but it's still a flaw.

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Keith Williams's avatar

It's not a flaw, it's a feature!

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Chris Fehr's avatar

Is there a sincere reason you think party leaders should have to run nationally and locally at the same time?

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Keith Williams's avatar

Yes, they should have to earn the support of their riding as well as the support of the country. Additionally, the leader of a party is there as the choice of the party, not of the electorate and as such can be changed at any time at the whim of the, in the case of the Conservatives currently, the caucus. There should be no gimmes.

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Chris Fehr's avatar

That's not a convincing argument at all. The leader of the party is elected by members of the party, could be me or you.

The riding that happens to have the party leader in it essentially does not have an MP. If this doesn't matter then why have MP's at all?

Fear not this will never change, it will remain a flaw. It's a flaw that appears to favour the Liberals at the moment but can just as easily favour any other party.

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